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Poster: Reade Date: Mar 30, 2013 10:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ballad of a Thin Man

Yeah, forget that album. It's like 'Steal Your Face:' How could a live album of a series of shows so completely fail to capture any of the magic that went down?
Any discussion of that Dylan/Dead stuff from '87 is incomplete around here without a mention of the rehearsal tapes.

http://archive.org/details/gd1987-06-01.sbd-rehearsals.fraser.97489.shnf

There's some sifting through that needs to happen 'cause there's just a lot of material but there are gems to be found, and they are thrilling!
My personal favorite is track 36, John Hardy. The worlds greatest garage band just rambles so beautifully behind Dylan's vocals, with Jerry on banjo no less.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Mar 30, 2013 3:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ballad of a Thin Man

The story I recall, for choosing the songs for the album, was that the band would get ahold of Dylan and suggest a song, and Dylan would say "Nah" . This kept going on . So Garcia decides to drive out to see what was going on . Dylan had the cassette tapes they had carefully made for him, scatted about, and had been playing them is a small cassette player , apparently without much attention . Garcia was pissed " I could have popped him!" .

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 30, 2013 3:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ballad of a Thin Man

The whole thing was done in such a typical half-assed GD style,a few rehearsals to learn a bunch of songs and then six shows in huge football stadiums in the July heat.It should have been like an 8 or 10 show run at the Warfield or Beacon with the bulk of the music being Dylan's for as it turned out other than a guest spot here and there it was there only collaboration.They could have done a nice acoustic set with Jerry playing some banjo,pedal steel and acoustic guitar.The theater setting would have been far superior sound wise and you wouldn't have had to sweat your ass off on a July afternoon in a shit hole stadium in an arm pit like Philly,which also would have benefitted the performers and more likely got a better performance out of them.I went to all six shows and it was no way to present that type of music and the music suffered for it.I had pretty much stopped going to Dead shows around 85' and these sealed the deal except for the occasional MSG show down the road.

Everyone whines about how bad the album is which seems inconsequential to me since it is only seven songs taken from 80 or so songs performed over the six shows,plus there were audience tapes and sbd's available immediately after the shows so it wasn't like the good things they had played were going unheard.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Mar 30, 2013 4:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ballad of a Thin Man

At one point they talked about doing shows of all other peoples songs ! That would have been pretty interesting ! But the BIG event aspect of it took over .
I like your idea, and I think it would have served everyone's musical intreats much better . Though there was much love of each other ( esp. Dylan and Garcia), both artists have idiosyncratic "work habits", that don't exactly fit in with each other, maybe , as others have suggested, in an earlier period it would have worked better .
Also Dylan is a notoriously hard guy to work with . One ex-band member said "working for Dylan is never fun, but is always interesting".
Dylanoligist Clinton Hyland , who , like most of the British Dylan hands, hates Bob's involvement with the the Grateful Dead , had to admit , that the thing to hear would be Dylan, and Garcia swapping songs on a back porch, or on a small stage . I'd pay to see that !

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 30, 2013 5:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ballad of a Thin Man

It really is a shame that it wasn't just Jerry from the GD and maybe Danko or some other musicians to fill out the band,that would have been a much more interesting proposition.While what we have is far from from perfect on occasion I can listen to what they did and be happy we have that.If Jerry and Dylan are on the stage together my preference would be to hear Bob's songs as opposed to anyone else's.

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Poster: Reade Date: Mar 30, 2013 4:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ballad of a Thin Man

I absolutely love that story of Garcia and somebody else (Cutler?) driving down the coast (to Monterey?) to where Dylan had a place on the ocean. You nailed it!
A few extra details: they pulled up in the driveway and because his house had so many windows on all sides they were able to sit in the car for while and watch none other than Bob Dylan "rattle round" inside, with the Pacific Ocean as backdrop.
Once down to business they produce this carefully chosen and mixed collection of songs on a cassette tape and Sir Bob whips out this $29.99 shitbox of a Circuit City combo AM/FM radio /cassette player to listen to the thing on. They were stunned.
I love stories that reduce my heroes to mere mortals. They are unfailingly funny as hell.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Mar 30, 2013 5:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ballad of a Thin Man

Was it his house in Malibu ? If so it makes it even more funny . The fact that Garcia , normally a very nice guy get so frustrated and angry , that he is thinking of punching Dylan .
I am a big fan of Bob, but I have never heard anyone I know who has met him, not use the words "odd", "strange ", or "weird" .

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Mar 30, 2013 2:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ballad of a Thin Man

Dylan and the Dead doing the Carter Family ! You zeroed right in to the one I was thinking of .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDVNRJ227lU

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Mar 30, 2013 10:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ballad of a Thin Man

I actually like a couple of the numbers, particularly "I"ll Be Your Baby Tonight" with Garcia on pedal steel...does Dylan ever tune his guitars?

the one from 07-24 is nice, but this one has Garcia more upfront, despite Dylan obliterating Weir out of the mix...

http://archive.org/details/gd1987-07-10.sbd-set2.unknown.97490.shnf

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 30, 2013 10:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ballad of a Thin Man

The shows were certainly not what they could have been and had a train wreck-ish feel at times due to severe lack of rehearsal and Dylan seemingly very high at a few if not all shows,but considering it's 87' and the aforementioned problems there was some good music played.Jerry was all over it for all six sets and Brent is to be commended for really stepping up and trying different things and adding some inspired playing.If you really like Dylan you will like some of this,case closed,it's Bob Dylan and the fuckin' Grateful Dead playing full sets of music together.It would have been better had they played together in 75',now that would have been one hell of a tour ,but this is what we have.

The JFK show features Tangled Up with Bob spitting out the lyrics bitterly while the band kind of throbs and cooks along.The Frankie Lee and Judas Priest has a really nice bouncy and swingin' feel.Simple Twist is excellent and Bob sings a bunch of alternate lyrics.

http://archive.org/details/gd1987-07-10.sbd-set2.unknown.93077.shnf

At the N.J. show Jerry breaks out the pedal steel and acquits himself nicely on Tomorrow is a Long Time along with a good vocal by Bob.Wicked Messenger has Jerry back in Legion of Mary form peeling off edgy,chunky leads.

http://archive.org/details/gd1987-07-12.sbd-set3.unknown.97491.shnf

The last show in Anaheim has a cool,rollicking Watching the River Flow with some bar room Brent and Jerry slide.

http://archive.org/details/gd1987-07-26.sbd-set3.unknown.97495.shnf

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Mar 30, 2013 3:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ballad of a Thin Man

A special nod to Garcia on the spanish feeling "Chimes of Freedom", Dylan does a real nice "Times" also .
Dylan is such a weird guy, he didn't make it easy for the guys . Garcia said "We love Bob, but we have some musical problems with him, like beginning and ending a song ...".